From maxschenk@verizon.net Sun Aug 1 16:01:10 2010 Return-Path: Received: from addr-mx02.addr.com (addr-mx02.addr.com [38.113.244.146]) by addr15.addr.com (8.12.11/8.12.8/Submit) with ESMTP id o71N0hIS000136 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:00:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp104.vzn.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp104.vzn.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.103.191]) by addr-mx02.addr.com (8.12.11/8.12.8/Submit) with SMTP id o71MwFZL038891 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:58:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 62240 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2010 22:59:43 -0000 Received: from IBMCCD92CC0547 (maxschenk@71.174.30.2 with login) by smtp104.vzn.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Aug 2010 15:59:42 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: OpM_JHOswBDDCubyV0UH9XZHZh5GK4m3mTnDNqmeGhOfKQ-- X-YMail-OSG: XhOhcDgVM1l_ORovpZMo4saZ1Q0Pn1SawCmj5WhTNMCkESP B1wll_EhniyEgOnazFJ_wHbNK8HXRpwqbpStWpQ13HVwm4IcVTgIvOnuJ7Y5 YDMMKl76Lwb00sMdzo15XgHnRstNl8nadpFDqEoaNEeCMReotaAnYtmklkXZ 5xjXly9JhfxtL7bNg0_32pBspDfCvlJZ_vm8ndmur1zAe.vfqXXZkBhb9elA sfuiifQtpmQtCrF1I53wXjYjVcKQDpP3Xw4bUw40vJHThBF3jQe09Jrf6wTc F11pzLy1lSW.y9X.9OuUTr3DHQmqyilrNkIsHMmGDwz32tK83px9EB2Xnpvv oscrVaM_wt9eP6zZqbPGbu5eoz3oS_XjAiXhYriwpYMFlpL25gKTbpPGsjTm gNUtpYONAvrJdi1BPm5qNjiXiAgx8KFeWvTp1OCg- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <5DD11DAAE2A24BE0B056BCE2F258C843@IBMCCD92CC0547> From: "Max Schenk" To: "Kim Smith" , , "Rick Roth" Cc: References: <574334.277.qm@web84104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>, Subject: Re: [cavpt] CAVPT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:59:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007E_01CB31AB.B366AB90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 X-ADDRSPAMFilter: Passed This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CB31AB.B366AB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Folks ~ Cloramines are a danger to gill animals such as fresh-water fish and = salamanders. The danger comes from the fact that the chloramines can = enter the bloodstream of the animals directly. This is the same reason = why it is a danger to dialysis patients, since water is used in that = process and it goes directly into the person's bloodstream after = treatment.=20 As for the fish and salamanders, Animal Krakers on Main Street has a = water treatment that neutralizes the chloramines and chlorine in the = water. As an added note for those who have outdoor fish ponds, you = should treat that water for chloramines as well, but also be aware that = there have been fish die-offs realted to the high temps this summer - = the fish have been literally cooking in the shallow water. So please = make sure that the water they are in is an appropriate temperature and = also, that the temperature of the water you have them in and the temp of = the water you are replacing are as close to the same as possible to = prevent shock and possible death. As a side note - Dialysis machines had to be adjusted when only chlorine = was used, and for the same reason. The National Kidney Foundation was = notified in March of Gloucester's switch over to chloramines and they = notified all the providers. There is no danger to animals or humans that = drink, bathe or cook with the water, however there are some people with = hypersensativities that may have reactions. An example is when San = Francisco changed its water treatment to chloramines and 20 people = claimed to have a reaction - out of the 1.2 million water users in the = area. Hope this helps, Max ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kim Smith=20 To: carolinawrencarolinawren@hotmail.com ; Rick Roth=20 Cc: list@capeannvernalpond.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 3:55 PM Subject: RE: [cavpt] CAVPT Dear Caroline, To be on the safe side, I have been using bottled Poland Spring water = to make sugar water for the RTH, especially since I have juvenile RTH = and juvenile Downy Woodpeckers at the feeders. Sincerely, Kim Smith Kim Smith 22 Plum Street Gloucester, MA 01930 978.283.3910 Kim Smith Designs Email: kimsmithdesigns@hotmail.com Web: www.kimsmithdesigns.com Blog: Kim Smith Designs Youtube:Kim Smith Designs > From: carolinawrencarolinawren@hotmail.com > To: cavpt@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [cavpt] CAVPT > Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:29:11 -0400 > CC: list@capeannvernalpond.org >=20 > And does anyone know if it will harm my hummingbirds if I make their = > syrup using the water? >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Aug 1, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Rick Roth wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > Now that Gloucester is putting chloramine in the water, I think I=20 > > may need a > > water filter for the snakes, salamanders and frogs' water. I did=20 > > some research > > on line and came away from that experience more confused than when = I=20 > > started. > > Anybody out there know about these things that might be willing to = > > give me some > > advice? > > > > Thanks. Rick > > we only have one earth, save it > > > > >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_007E_01CB31AB.B366AB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Folks ~
 
Cloramines are a danger to gill animals such as=20 fresh-water fish and salamanders. The danger comes from the fact = that the=20 chloramines can enter the bloodstream of the animals directly. This is = the same=20 reason why it is a danger to dialysis patients, since water is used in = that=20 process and it goes directly into the person's bloodstream after = treatment.=20
 
As for the fish and salamanders, Animal Krakers = on Main=20 Street has a water treatment that neutralizes the chloramines and = chlorine in=20 the water. As an added note for those who have outdoor fish ponds, you = should=20 treat that water for chloramines as well, but also be aware that there = have been=20 fish die-offs realted to the high temps this summer - the fish have been = literally cooking in the shallow water. So please make sure that the = water they=20 are in is an appropriate temperature and also, that the temperature of = the water=20 you have them in and the temp of the water you are replacing are as = close to the=20 same as possible to prevent shock and possible death.
 
As a side note - Dialysis machines had to be=20 adjusted when only chlorine was used, and for the same=20 reason. The National Kidney Foundation was notified in March of=20 Gloucester's switch over to chloramines and they notified all the = providers.=20 There is no danger to animals or humans that drink, bathe or cook with = the=20 water, however there are some people with hypersensativities that may = have=20 reactions. An example is when San Francisco changed its water treatment = to=20 chloramines and 20 people claimed to have a reaction - out of the 1.2 = million=20 water users in the area.
 
Hope this helps,
Max
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kim Smith
To: carolinawrencarolina= wren@hotmail.com=20 ; Rick = Roth
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 = 3:55=20 PM
Subject: RE: [cavpt] = CAVPT

Dear Caroline,

To be on the safe side, I have been using bottled Poland Spring = water to=20 make sugar water for the RTH, especially since I have juvenile RTH and = juvenile Downy Woodpeckers at the feeders.
Sincerely, Kim Smith

Kim Smith
22 Plum Street
Gloucester, MA 01930
978.283.3910

Kim Smith Designs
Email: kimsmithdesigns@hotmail.com
Web: www.kimsmithdesigns.com
Blog: Kim = Smith=20 Designs
Youtube:Kim Smith=20 Designs




> From: carolinawrencarolina= wren@hotmail.com
>=20 To: cavpt@yahoo.com
> = Subject: Re:=20 [cavpt] CAVPT
> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:29:11 -0400
> CC: = list@capeannvernalpond.org
>
> And does anyone know if it = will=20 harm my hummingbirds if I make their
> syrup using the = water?
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 1, 2010, at 1:54 = PM, Rick=20 Roth <cavpt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> = > Now=20 that Gloucester is putting chloramine in the water, I think I
> = >=20 may need a
> > water filter for the snakes, salamanders and = frogs'=20 water. I did
> > some research
> > on line and came = away=20 from that experience more confused than when I
> > = started.
>=20 > Anybody out there know about these things that might be willing = to=20
> > give me some
> > advice?
> >
> = >=20 Thanks. Rick
> > we only have one earth, save it
> = >
>=20 >
>
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